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07/31/91
09:51:19

Stephen Rea
Benjie Putnam
Re: upgrade

MSGID: 1:260/204 2892c2b4
> I have a Mac SE with a 20 Meg internal hard drive and a SuperDrive. I
> am thinking about upgrading it, and I would really like color. Does
> anyone know of anything I can do to get color for my SE without
> buying a whole new computer?

You can buy SCSI Graph and get 8 color display on any color monitor (including
VGA monitors).

You can buy the Apple SE/30 upgrade for $995, a color video card for $500, and
a color monitor for $500.

The best bet might be to sell the SE and buy and LC.

Steve

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Stephen Rea
Ralph Wade Phillips
Re: Makeing PS File with sys 7

MSGID: 1:260/204 2892c4b8
AC>  I am running sys 7 on a SE/30 I am trying to save files as PS
AC> to later run through Freedom Of The Press To a Apple Laser Writer
AC> LS. It is supposed to work according to the software people at
AC> Custom applications:

Ralph, I you read Art's message closely you'll see he is printing with a
Personal
Laser LS which doesn't have the Postscript file buttion since it is not a
postscript
printer.

You can choose the regular LaserWriter printer and then get the PostScript file
button.

Steve

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Stephen Rea
Craig Vaughan
Re: MacWoof Menus

MSGID: 1:260/204 2892c552
Is 1.0b4 available for FREQ?  Did you get my NetMail?  I keep getting a block
complement error and a disconnect on "0bcd0002.out" every time I poll by boss.
 His log says:

+ 24 Jul 22:00:52 BINK begin, Binkley 2.30
* 24 Jul 22:02:31 BINK Another point in the middle of nowhere! (1:260/204.2)
* 24 Jul 22:02:31 BINK Remote Uses Program '6a' Version 1.00
* 24 Jul 22:02:33 BINK Receiving inbound mail
* 24 Jul 22:02:37 BINK Giving mail to 1:3021/2
+ 24 Jul 22:02:49 BINK CPS: 20 (60 bytes)  Efficiency: 8%
+ 24 Jul 22:02:49 BINK Sent-S d:\opus\outbound\0bcd0002.out
! 24 Jul 22:03:01 BINK d:\opus\outbound\f53700ca.mo1 not sent:  Timeout
! 24 Jul 22:03:07 BINK Still have mail for 1:3021/2

Steve

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Jonathan Gourd
Frank Kohn
RE: Laser Plus Toner Carts

EID:de01 16fd3540
--->the Canon Cartridges nor the guides in the office supply
--->store say what engine the cart is for.  There are at least 4
--->different carts to choose from.  Do you know the cartridge
--->model number?
I wish I did, but I just moved and I did not keep the old boxes.  Like I said
before however, I use HP toner in my Laserwriter II.  If you have an old
Laserwriter
then you buy the cartridge for the HP Laserjet.  If you have a Laserwriter II
then use the HP laserjet Series II.  Somewhere on the box for the Toner
cartridge
you will see an SX or a CX buried in the model number for the cartridge.  CX
is for old LaserWriter, ans SX is for the LaserWriter II. I go to Staples when
they are having a sale, and I usually find them available for $79 to $89.

Hope that is enough info.

Jonathan

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Ray Leninger
Roger Perry
Re: disinfectant
The latest version is 2.5.1 which was a bug fix to version 2.5.

--- Tabby 2.2
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Ray Leninger
David Garrant
RE: RESEDIT-->RESOURCE FORK?
DG> When I use Norton Utilities' Disk Editor to open the Resource Fork of
DG> and application, it looks nothing like anything I can bring up with
DG> ResEdit!

Norton and other disk editors look at the raw code in a program--resource
or data fork.  ResEdit is designed SPECIFICALLY for editing resources and
provides templates that display the resource data in humanly readable
formats.  If you want to edit resources, you need to use ResEdit, not
Norton.

--- Tabby 2.2
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Charlie Rogers
Jackie Tanaka
Balloon Help

MSGID: 1:3616/0.2@fidonet a4b8ee61

PID: MacWoof 1.0b1
JT> ^AEID:8cf2 16fa2f30
JT> Do any of you use the Balloon Help feature of System 7.0
JT> or do you just find it an annoyance?
JT>
JT> I find it annoying except for the the Finder ShortCuts feature.
JT>
JT>
JT> --- Opus-CBCS 1.14
JT>  * Origin: The Rest of Us MUG BBS 708-291-6660  Pursuitable (1:115/400.0)
JT> SEEN-BY: 361/100 361/106 633/204 3616/2
JT> ^APATH: 115/400 729 689 154/77 396/1 123/19 361/80 100 361/106

You might try Helium v. 1.0 that enables you to use Balloon Help only when you
hit a predetermined keystroke.  Should be available on a BBS near to you.
I believe that it is FreeWare.
--- MacWoof Eval:26Jul91
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Dave Morris
Steve Bigley
Re: Modem Ports on an LC

EID:699d 16fca0e0

Steve Bigley writes in a message to Bruce Tomlin on 26 Jul 91

SB> I've got the hardware handshake enabled on ZTerm (and MicroPhone
SB> II). I still seem to get a /ARQ/etc connection with 9600 lines,
SB> just poor thru-put. Still sound like I need that hardware handshake
SB> cable, or is it me?

Don't forget that you need to correctly answer the following three points in
order to sucessfully hardware handshake.

1.  The modem must be set up properly.  If you are using a USR Dual HST, I would
recommend that you check your modem dip switches.  Mine are: sw1
(dn,up,dn,up,dn,up,up,dn,dn,up)
sw10.  Next you should check your NVRAM defaults.  I have mine set to:
B0X7&A3&B1&D0&H1&K1&M4&N0&R2&S0.
 You can write this string to the modem via your terminal program and then send
it AT&W to write it to the modem NVRAM.  When you send the modem the init
sequence
ATZ, they will be in effect.

2.  Use a hardware handshaking cable.  All Macs can use DIN8 pins 1 and 2 to
RS232 pins 4 and 5 to set up the handshake if the Mac is using ZTerm or any
other terminal emulation program.  If you are running a BBS that supports use
of carrier detect via Mac pin 7 on a Mac that supports pin 7, you can connect
Mac pin 7 to RS232 pin 8. The only BBS software that currently supports this
is Hermes to my knowledge.

3.  Finally, you need to tell ZTerm (and any other terminal package) that you
are running Hardware Handshaked.  The terminology might differ, you want to
select the locked baud rate if it is offered.  Set the baud rate to 19,200 or
38,400 and then when in the terminal window, type the NVRAM string in step 1.
 This will also set the NVRAM to the speed at which the terminal is set.  Now
you should finally be ready to go.  Let me know if it works for you.  I get
about 1700 cps on file transfers via my USR DHST 14,400 bps modem.  This is
via ZTerm, and I get about 910 cps on file transfers with CI$ via V.32.

--- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Dave Morris
Liz Clayton
System 7 tricks

EID:77fc 16fca1c0

Liz Clayton writes in a message to Bruce Tomlin on 26 Jul 91

LC> I'm using 6.2d5, and nada happens when I point at the icon.

Liz, I'm using MacsBug 6.2, dated 28 Jan 91, 110K and turning on Help balloons
and pointing to the ICON gets the balloon help for me.

--- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Steve Lebovitz
Craig Vaughan
RE: MacWoof beta version available

EID:93a7 16fd5560

MSGID: 1:129/120.1@fidonet A4B9A1CF

PID: MacWoof 1.0b5

CV> JO> 1) It seems that the ARC part in MacWoof refuses to unarc the
CV> JO> mailarchive I created to him. I used "PKARC -oct a" when creating the
C
CV> That is a known problem with b2 and is being corrected.
 I just had to unarc all of my mail again, and I now have 1.0b5 is there
something
special that my "boss" has to do?

Thanks in advance
Steve
--- MacWoof Eval:29Jul91
 * Origin: Pointing With The Mind (1:129/120.1)

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Steve Lebovitz
Harry Weppner
Abaton BBS number!?!?!?

EID:58aa 16fd5860

MSGID: 1:129/120.1@fidonet A4B9A69D

PID: MacWoof 1.0b5
The number you requested is 415-226-9694 and can be automatically dialed for
an additional 35
Steve
p.s. if you learn anything about the System 7 interfax software let me (All)
know

--- MacWoof Eval:29Jul91
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Ed Hackett
Shawn Lin
CommSoft

EID:ead4 16fd6080
> Will ZTerm run on a 512k Mac?

I don't know for sure. Sorry.

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Garner Miller
Shawn Lin
CommSoft

EID:6e85 16fd5140

MSGID: 1:109/328.715@fidonet A4B99A22

PID: MacWoof 1.0b5
SL> Will ZTerm run on a 512k Mac?  I heard it'll even run on a 128k Mac but
SL> I'm just making sure.  Yeah, obviously I'm not a power user but I plan to
SL> upgrade to 2 megs.

I believe it will run on a 512, but the menus will be somewhat "screwy."  It
uses Hierarchial menus, which aren't supported until, I believe, System 6.0.
 Many of the menus will end up on the top menu bar, which looks somewhat odd.
But I think It'll run...


--- MacWoof Eval:29Jul91
 * Origin: MacWoof Beta-test site (1:109/328.715)

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Craig Vaughan
Harry Weppner
No connection manager!?

EID:1e70 16fd8d00

MSGID: 1:109/342.365@fidonet A4BA0379

PID: MacWoof 1.0b5 Serial #000000
HW> Hi Craigh!
HW>
HW> I just downloaded a copy of your new point software. I was glad to hear
that
HW> it supports the CTB but I found out that this is only halfways true :-(
HW>
HW> Why not fully support the CTB!? Is this such a hazzle!? I mean, you need
to
HW> choose between a variety of devices not only between printer and modem!
HW>
HW> Im talking about those great modems from GlaobalVillage called TelePort
HW> :-)

Harry:
Full connection manager support will show up in a later version. The main
problem
I ran into was the shortcomings of some of the connection tools, like the Apple
Modem tool, which forced me to do my own dialing/modem support software. The
underlying premise of the CTB with regards to connections is that the software
is not supposed to care how the connection is established, just that it is.


Well the realities of telecom in regards to FidoNet restrict you in many ways.
It is not at all clear to me what MacWoof should try to do if, for example,
I implemented the full connection manager tool chooser and someone selected
the ADSP tool.

I plan to address this issue in the future, but for now, I needed to get
something
out there that would work for a large number of people recognizing that there
would be, at this time, some folks who couldn't use it for hardware or boss
software reasons. These problems will be resolved over time.

So hang in there and stay tuned...

- Craig

--- MacWoof 1.0b5
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Craig Vaughan
Jan Ohberg
Re: MICROSOFT GOING SOFT?

EID:28bc 16fd8dc0

MSGID: 1:109/342.365@fidonet A4BA0504

PID: MacWoof 1.0b5 Serial #000000
JO>  > Having been involved with several s/w companies, a figure of 20%
JO>  > is about normal and anything over 40% is unusual.
JO>
JO> With the right price and if the software are good then the money comes in.
JO> We should not forget that the expence of marketing a program are minimal
JO> and therefore it won't need a high pricing concept. As I can understand
JO> there are not many program for Fidonet available as shareware (for the Mac)
JO> and therefore will the competition not be to high for such a product. After
JO> all, Fidonet are for hobbyist and then a high price will not fit in "the
JO> enviroment".

I agree Jan and that is why I decided to release MacWoof the way I did. But,
that's not what the above comments were about. What I was talking about there
is that in my experience working for *commercial* software firms where people
are buying the software through stores or mail order, you can only expect about
a 20 to 30% return of software registration forms from the purchasers. I mean
how many times have we all gone out and bought a neat piece of software, dumped
out the manual, disk, etc., glanced over the docs, set aside the registration
card to fill out "later" and plunged right into the program? And then, the
registration
card gets buried or put into a todo "someday" stack... Never to be seen again
let alone filled out and mailed.

That is what I was talking about and as I recall, so was the original message
I replied to vis-a-vis MicroSofts "amnesty" program.

- Craig

--- MacWoof 1.0b5
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Linda Cunningham
Erik Kennedy
Useless Software

EID:c889 16fc39e0
In a message to Linda Cunningham {24 Jul 91} Erik Kennedy wrote:

> > MacWEDDING
>
> Is it 7.0-savvy?

Didn't say it was in the ad; I suspect not, however....

Linda

--- MacPoint 0.99+
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Linda Cunningham
Erik Kennedy
Superclock & Bubble Help

EID:b72b 16fc3ba0
In a message to Garner Miller {24 Jul 91} Erik Kennedy wrote:

>  SuperClock! and Word have never worked all that well together to begin
> with--start typing in Word, and SuperClock! "freezes", refusing to
> update the time until you click somewhere or use the keypad. Weird,
> and annoying.

Geez, I've not had that problem.  Ever!  Just another little "something" to
expect when I upgrade to 7, eh?  :-(

Linda

--- MacPoint 0.99+
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Linda Cunningham
Doug Rogers
Canvas

EID:513c 16fc3ca0
In a message to Randy Marcy {26 Jul 91} Doug Rogers wrote:

> > I am looking for a
> > drawing type program that can save files in an encapsolated postscript
> > format usable by Pagemaker.
>
> FreeHand 3.0
     Much nicer than Illustrator 3.0, and easier to learn, to boot. >
> > I would like to find one that doesn't cost an
> > arm or leg requiring a mortage.
>
> around $600 canadian. Don't complain to me about price.

SaltSpring Software (London, ON) has it for $519, GST/PST not included.  They
charge $6.00/shipping anywhere in the country, though; a boon to those of us
who live in Alberta....  :-)

'Course, you can always get it from one of the U.S. mail order shops and only
have to pay GST on the declared value.  (MacZone is quite good about lowering
the "declared value" on the customs form to save you some money, which is more
than I can say for some!)

Linda

--- MacPoint 0.99+
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Linda Cunningham
Liz Clayton
Macwoof Beta Version Ava

EID:9f49 16fc3d00
In a message to Franke Ojeda {26 Jul 91} Liz Clayton wrote:

> Technical support for products with their own echo are
> recommended to stay in said echo.  Since MacWoof is a new
> product, and only recently did the author (if he even has yet)
> get linked to the nonbackboned MACPOINT echo, discussion of the
> product will be allowed until I decide it's getting too extensive
> or detailed to properly serve a useful purpose within the
> boundaries of the echo.

Thanks for letting Craig keep posting MacWoof stuff here, Liz.  *Some* of us
appreciate the fine job you are doing!

Linda

--- MacPoint 0.99+
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Linda Cunningham
Casey Offord
Microsoft Word 5.00b

EID:828e 16fc3dc0
In a message to Maurice Sharp {25 Jul 91} Casey Offord wrote:

> I use WriteNow it it, in my opinion, is better than Word.  I have used it
and
> i didn't like it as much as WriteNow.  It can open Word/Works files and the
> like, and is somewhat like MacWrite only much more powerful.  Try it out!

I am a confirmed WriteNow user as well, but for what Maurice needs it for, it
just won't work.

It has no table function or page preview, for starters.

(I've seen what he wants to do; about the only suggestion I could make was
FrameMaker.)

Linda

--- MacPoint 0.99+
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Lucien Dupont
Dick Stewart
RE: MICROSOFT WORD 5.00B

EID:3c34 16fc9c40
 DS> what is the latest on word 5.00B, anyway?

You've got me.. looks like it is going to have drawing withing the actual
program itself.. and chances are we are going to be stuck with that
Windows/Mac identical interface thing as well..

As you can tell, I am not looking forward to seeing it..


       Lucien

--- Tabby 2.2
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Bill Reed
Stephen Rea
RE: Re: MacWoof version 1.0b3 available

EID:66fc 16fb5400
In a message to Craig Vaughan writen on Saturday, July 27, 1991 at 6:16:39 AM,
Stephen Rea writes:

SR>>I tried using MacWoof b1 and everytime i chose a command from the Message
SR>>menu,
SR>>i get a system crash. When i try to re-run it, i get the error about the
SR>>demo line being corrputed and it won't run.

Hmm, yup sounds like a bad copy. I am running b1.1 without any trouble on a
Hermes/Tabby 4megPlus. 1b3 has some bugs and has been withdrawn so 1b2 is the
latest version.

BTW great weather for the Lilac Festival. I was up visiting my daughter at
Eastman.

=br

--- Tabby 2.2
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Chris Silverberg
Roy Clay
Mac Names

EID:6faa 16fa8b00

In a recent message, Roy Clay writes...

 AK> I hope Apple will not have to
 AK> pay loyalties to Mitsubishi Motors for the use of the name as they did
 AK> to Coca Cola.

RC>  Why would Apple have to pay royalties to Coca-Cola?

You're absolutely right Roy, Apple is *NOT* paying royalties to Coca-Cola
because
Coca-Cola and Apple aren't in the same business... they aren't competing...
however, Apple IS paying another computer maker (some small one I never heard
of) for the right to use the word Classic.

 Chris

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Chris Silverberg
Erik Kennedy
Re: Disk Doubler & the Double Up Card

EID:8f2b 16fa8c60

In a recent message, Erik Kennedy writes...

EK> The best solution, now that DD 3.7 is out, is for DD users to
EK> make sure that any file that might leave their system for any
EK> reason is a SEA.

Unless you operate one of the growing number of BBS's that have standardized
on DiskDoubler format.

 Chris

--- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Chris Silverberg
Erik Kennedy
Re: CI$ Software

EID:5343 16fa9280

In a recent message, Erik Kennedy writes...

EK> WHAT? They dropped 2400 baud support? When?
EK> I was on the verge of biting the bullet and subscribing. No way
EK> now. I only hope they can be made to realize that with the plant
EK> coming online next year it's in their best interests to change
EK> their minds

Hey, that's not the fault of AOL, that's the Telenet service (or Tymnet)...
blame the RIGHT people.

 Chris

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Den Raphaely
T.K. Conrad
Help the helpers!

EID:8527 16fb3600

T.k. Conrad writes in a message (Virus Help!)...

TC> The virus came from a copy of "Remember v 1.2," a DA/init which
TC> displays upcoming events. It is used every time I turn on my
TC> Mac because of the init, so it's obvious to see why this type
TC> of file would be infected with a virus. The actual virus was
TC> found in a file used by "Remember" to store occasions.

Where did you get this copy of Remember?

--- COUNTERPoint Silver 1.05
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Rich Martin
All
MAC VIDEO

EID:92bf 16fa80c0

MSGID: 1:101/485 28904890
Does anyone out there have experience producing videotape with a Mac? I am
getting
involved in a project to put together a small editing suite for corporate
videotapes,
and I am supposed to be the Mac expert {:^). The *big question* is ... how hard
can we work the Mac? Video gear we got, audio gear we got, lighting gear we
got. What we're adding is score composition, character generation, graphics
and animation. How much of this can we squeeze out of a Mac in real time.
Consider
money to be no object. Realtime video + realtime audio from the Mac in a 1"
video editing environment. What boards would be required for NTSC output,
graphics
+ video combined? Can a Mac produce continuous MIDI information while delivering
this NTSC video?
                                      -Rich Martin

--- TMail v1.20
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Bill Reed
Ira Lunsk
RE: MacWoof

EID:a149 16fca680
In a message to everyone writen on Sunday, July 28, 1991 at 8:41:36 AM, Ira
Lunsk writes:

IL>>the serial tool? I have the comm toolbox, I'm running Hermes, but not the
IL>>serial
IL>>tool. I have system seven, not installed yet, can I use the serial tool
IL>>from system 7? Thanks for all and any replies.

FREQ here as SERIALTL.CPT w/sys7 it goes in the extentions folder with sys6.0x

in the communication folder

--- Tabby 2.2
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07/31/91
09:51:19

Eric Larson
Franke Ojeda
RE: Re: Ti laserprinters

PID: RA 1.01 220

MSGID: 1:260/330 4e2d694c
* In a missive for Doug Ashley, Franke Ojeda expounded :

 > Is this really important to you?  Do you do batch volume
 > printing?  This is
 > the only advantage I see for buying a TI.

All you say about the overall superiority of the QMS in terms of features is
true. But there is one fact that you have not mentioned, which strongly
compensates
for these features. The up-front street price for the QMS is 60% or more higher.
That is a fairly SUBSTANTIAL difference.

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Eric Larson
Steve Ebener
RE: Re: 9600 woes

PID: RA 1.01 220

MSGID: 1:260/330 4e2d6b02
* In a missive for Mike Arst, Steve Ebener expounded :

 >    Ah, I didn't realize you were using a DOS machine.  In
 > that case the
 > thing you want to adjust in your software is the COM rate
 > (for whichever COM
 > port you have the HST connected to).

You also want to make sure the modem is set to not follow the connect rate,
but rather be fixed at 38,400 (or 19,200 depending on HST model). Otherwise
the modem-computer speed will automatically drop when a connection is
established,
and you will acheive poor throughput, or just garbage on screen because your
comm port speed differws from the modem port serial port speed. THis is
accomplished
using the &B (or B?) setting.

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Eric Larson
Steve Ebener
RE: Re: Compression on mac

PID: RA 1.01 220

MSGID: 1:260/330 4e2d6bb8
 >  BT-> There's an UNSIT for the PC and an extractor for CPT files
 >  BT-> as well. Also, the latest version of Unzip for the Mac is
 >  BT-> 1.10, not 1.01.

 >    The last time I checked (in February) the utility that
 > would decompress
 > StuffIt archives on a DOS machine would only work with the
 > older, 1.5.1,

THe latest version is 2.0 - and no, it doesn't handle anything but 1.5 formats.

IMHO, one of the big reasons for going with Compactor.

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Paul Wang
All
dl IBM Files

PID: RA 1.01 220

MSGID: 1:260/330 4e301192
I've got a PC at work and would like to use some files I see on some local BBS's
on it. Of course at home I have a MacIIcx.... How can I dl files for the pc
onto my Mac and then transfer them to my work PC wia floppy disk ? What format
should the file be saved in ? I have Soft PC but I don't know if its neccessary
to use.
thanx
pw
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Roger Perry
All
Modem

EID:5083 16fdaa0c

MSGID: 1:321/110 2894cbf8
Help, I'm not going to pay alot for this modem.  I need a 2400 baud modem for
under$200 dollars.One to plug in and ready to fly.  So don't mention a zoom.
 Thanks for any information you can provide.

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09:51:19

Bill Arndt
Steve Ebener
RE: Re: LHarc 0.41

Steve Ebener writes in a message to Leonard Cayetano on 23 Jul 91:

SE> Something that I hope is incorporated into Tabby 3.0 is wild
SE> cards for FREQs

You may want to keep password protection for files to prevent some "anonomous"
pointop from freqing *.cpt from you at 2400 baud.

C U L

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09:51:19

David Zampino
All
HELP: NEED V49 APPLETALK FILE

EID:56b1 16fc7f20
Does anyone have a copy of the original AppleTalk version 49?  This is the
version
which came out around the time of the original Mac II; it is rumoured to be
an 11K
disk file, found on the first AppleShare installation floppy that came out
around
the same time.

I need this file to test a problem printing to certain laserwriters from the
older
Macs.  I've got Developer Technical Support looking for it at Apple (I am an
Apple developer), but so far they have only been able to find v48 and v50, but
not
the famed v49.  (Apparently, the company that archives old system files and
the
like for Apple *lost* the v49 file, among other things.)

If anyone has this file and would send it to me, I would be more than greatful.
It's
an emergency.

David Zampino
AppleLink: D6800
CompuServe: 76427,155
America On-Line: Zampino16
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09:51:19

Scott Benton
All
Church Accounting

EID:1173 16fcbee0
Does anyone have any recommendations for a bookkeeping/accounting
package designed for churches or other non profits?  (especially any
packages designed just for churches)

Thanks

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09:51:19

David Garrant
Eric King
RE: RESEDIT-->RESOURCE FORK?

EID:de89 16fd93e0

MSGID: 1:321/307 28945f16
  ERIC KING>>  All of those types that you describe are IN the Resource
Fork. They are the resources that make up the resource fork. RESEDIT
directly opens the resource fork of the application when you select the
app in the open dialog. Double click on one of them to bring up the
selection window for the individual resources of that type. Double
click again to open one of the listed (or pictured) resources. RESEDIT
does not have templates for every resource type. If the secondary
window that opens has nothing but code in it, then there is no
template. Try opening one of the ICN resources and you'll get a
graphics editing window.   <<EK

Eric, I had to choose who to reply to, of the dozen or so responses to
my original ResEdit questions, and yours seemed easiest for me to
understand, I guess.  Anyways, thanks to all the others, too.  OK, as
an example, if I open up my Quickeys appl. with SUM II Tools 2.0,
choose the resource editor, choose ASCII, and do a search for, say, my
name, voila, there it is.  Very quick and easy for my slow learning
curve.  Now see if I understand this correctly: if I take the time with
ResEdit 2.1 and double-click my way through the many types and layers
of resources I will eventually find everything I found with SUM Tools,
but it will just take me many, many, many times longer with ResEdit.
Am I understanding this correctly?  David
...

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09:51:19

Patrick Kearney
All
MS Works for invoicing

EID:2a88 16fcae48
Hello, All,

        Does anyone out there use Microsoft Works to handle invoicing?
I've been trying to set up my computer to read information regarding pricing,
tax computation, etc. from the spreadsheet, pull an address from the database,
and print and record an invoice. I haven't been able to do this.
        If you are set up to do invoicing with Works, may I copy a
template of your structuring, or get some advice? Thanks!

Patrick Kearney

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09:51:19

Scott Christensen
Mike Steiner
Why?

EID:46d9 16fc5de0

Mike Steiner writes in a message to Scott Christensen on 21 Jul 91

MS> When you installed 6.0.7, did you install AppleTalk at the same
MS> time?

I installed AppleShare at the same time if that's what you mean.

MS> Did you try removing Responder? If you installed AppleTalk with
MS> 6.0.7, your responder may be corrupted.

I removed it - I think - but I can't recall.  (A vacation does wonderful things
for the memory.)  Anyway, I'm going to leave her on 6.0.5 unless she needs
something
higher.

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09:51:19

Steve Averill
Eddie Crawford
RE: re: 286 Mac

EID:243e 16faae80

Eddie Crawford writes to Joel Hanley:
EC> Umm the first mac every release was the Mac 128, not 286.... :)
     Actually, the first Mac had 194K of memory so you're BOTH wrong.  It had
128K of RAM and 64K of ROM...          :-)          :-)
                                                   -Steve A.


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Cory Michael Tobin
All
hello

EID:dbf8 16fb5200
If anyone needs help on System 7.0, e-mail me.

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09:51:19

Steve Ebener
Mike Arst
RE: Re: 9600 woes
In a message to Steve Ebener dated 07/23/91 at 21:51:11, Mike
Arst writes:

 MA> I have tried everything I can learn about to lock the port
 MA> either at 19.2 or 38.4. If there is something else I should
 MA> be doing, I don't know what it is. Other talk about this
 MA> would necessarily have to do with the 16550 and other chips
 MA> added to the card in the computer, but that's getting
 MA> off-topic. No one seems to know why I can't get the highest
 MA> possible speed with the modem. Anyway, I'm stumped. I give
 MA> up. I don't usually give up on problems like this; if
 MA> there's one thing I can't stand, it's hardware or software
 MA> that won't do what I want it to do. There is almost always
 MA> some solution; you just have to work at it. But here I've
 MA> tried all of the suggestions; they're not working and
 MA> people more knowledgeable about these things than I am are
 MA> also stumped. Sigh.

   Hmmm, if your getting fast transfer rates for Fido, try using the same
INIT string for whatever term program your using on your Mac (I forgot what
you're using.)  I wouldn't worry about "locking" the serial port to 38.4,
just set the data rate to that speed.
   If you don't get transfers that are over 1000 cps, then it could be the
INIT string the modem is being initialized with.  (???)

   It could also be that the system you are calling is locking the
connection rates to that of the actual connection.  If its a Hermes system,
then the other end may have "Change Speeds" checked (which is needed for
2400 _normal_ modems, but not for most high speed V anything modems as they
"auto-baud" and do the speed changing on their own.)  Having "change speeds"
checked on a Hermes board effectively limits any data transfers to the speed
of the actual connection and doesn't allow for the higher speeds that data
compression/error correction can get when its not checked.  Many Hermes (and
other systems) need to have this done so that crash mail works on that
node/line.  (Fortunately the Intel 9600ex doesn't need to be configured that
way, so my users get the full speed on their downloads, and I can still
accept crash mail.)  :-)

   If none of this works, then I'm also stumped.  I suppose I could figure
it out IF I had the modem, cable, and manual(s), but that's not a realistic
solution for you unfortunately.

                                                       _Steve Ebener_
                                                       _Greyland BBS_

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09:51:19

Steve Ebener
Mike Arst
RE: Re: Compression on mac
In a message to Steve Ebener dated 07/23/91 at 21:57:24, Mike
Arst writes:

 MA> I kind of doubt you'll ever see such a util for DOS that
 MA> can handle the file formats of Stuffit's commercial
 MA> version. The whole thing is 100% proprietary, right? You'd
 MA> think that if it were possible to read and unpack Deluxe
 MA> archives, such a feature would now be in Compact Pro, but
 MA> as I recall the CP author cannot get access to the file
 MA> format.

   Hmmm.  I hadn't thought of that.  The is still the shareware version of
StuffIt (Classic), which uses the same format as Deluxe does.  The main
difference being all the other things that Deluxe can do that Classic can't.


   Of course, you can always just create the archive in 1.5.1 format if your
sending to someone who has a DOS box.

   Here's another thing.  There is a utility that will convert StuffIt files
to Compact Pro archives.  Does this work only on StuffIt 1.5.1 archives?  Or
does it work on the newer archives as well?

                                                       _Steve Ebener_
                                                       _Greyland BBS_

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09:51:19

Steve Ebener
Chris Silverberg
RE: Pin 7
In a message to Steve Ebener dated 07/23/91 at 23:14:01, Chris
Silverberg writes:

SE> I know this from personal experience. I have two Intel 9600ex's
SE> and use Hardware Handshaking Pin 7 cables with both. The default
SE> settings for the Intel's are to use RTS/CTS via Pin 7 if it is
SE> available. Every transfer I tried from WK to ZTerm, ZTerm to
SE> WK, WK to WK, ZTerm to ZTerm, with hardware handshaking enabled
SE> in both programs usually failed

 CS> Steve, I'm a little confused... don't you just need a
 CS> different cable that supports RTS/CTS correctly? If you are
 CS> using a Comm program, then you don't need Carrier detect of
 CS> DTR. So there is no problem supporting both the RTS/CTS
 CS> lines. Correct?

   Therein lies the problem.  I don't even think Apple has a handle on
Hardware Handshaking as its implemented on DOS computers.

   As far as I know there isn't a personal telecommunications program that
implements Hardware Handshaking via Pin 7.  Those that do have Hardware
Handshaking options don't supply a cable pin out schematic so we can figure
out if we're using the correct cable for that software or not.  The software
has done the best it can to implement Hardware Handshaking options for ALL
Mac models, which unfortunately leaves out Pin 7.  Even Apple has more or
less changed its mind about Pin 7.  At first it wasn't even thought of, then
came the SE.  Every model from the SE up has Pin 7 until you get to the
three new models, which don't.

   If Apple can't figure out what they're implementing, how can the software
writers or the cable manufactures do so?

   As for my having the correct cable, I had to make a choice.  Do I run my
two line Hermes system with both nodes supporting Hardware Handshaking, or
just one, or neither?  I opted for both.  Now I'm waiting for the software I
use to call out to catch up.  (Which I sure as heck hope it does, or I may
be forced to switch to something else so I can utilize the modems/cables I
have to their fullest extent.)

   My only other choice would be to construct a RS-232 switch box and run
two cables to it.  (Which means I'd need two boxes for each modem/port)

                                                       _Steve Ebener_
                                                       _Greyland BBS_

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09:51:19

Steve Ebener
Mike Taylor
RE: DiskExpress
In a message to Mike Taylor dated 07/20/91 at 10:51:19, Mike
Taylor writes:  <good one Mike>  :-)

SE>  I finally went to a friends house and got the update to 2.07b
SE> (and wouldn't you know it, I received it in the next day's mail).

MT>  Something is really funny in their distribution. I got 2.07c
MT> long before you got 2.07b. Something is fundamentally wrong there...

<and then goes on to say:>

  MT> What is even funnier now (other than me responding to
  MT> myself) is that I just got a second copy of the updater to
  MT> 2.07c directly from Alsoft. I only have one copy of DE II
  MT> =8)

   You think that's a good one?  (besides writing to yourself?  dig dig)

   Did I mention that I called ALSoft for a replacement disk because my
master disk died?  Anyway (in case I didn't mention it) I called on the 15th
or 16th, and was told that it would go out in Wednesday's mail and that I
should have it by Monday or Tuesday of the following week.  (USnail)

   This Wednesday I called again because I still hadn't received it.  The
nice lady on the other end said "no wonder you haven't gotten it.  I'm
looking at your disk right now on my desk!"  I almost fell out of my
chair...

   So, she rushed out and caught the UPS man and sent it UPS Blue.

   Friday morning UPS shows up with my disk (that happened to still have the
postit note on it).

   What was surprising is that the afternoon's mail had my master disk in
it.  You know, the one with the "Serial #  xxxxxxx  (01 User) and the order
number.  So now, I have two master disks, one with the correct information
on the outside, but both with the correct serial number on the inside.   :-)

(Go figure...  At least I got it.)

   Oh, and both are 2.07c, and I STILL haven't received my updater to 'c'
yet though.  Hmmm, maybe next Wednesday?

   (Not really, I know why some of you have them, but most of you don't.
Its because ALSoft has had to send the labels back twice because of
misprints, so, no labels, no mailing them out.  At the rate updates are
coming out for this version of DiskExpress, you'll probably get the update
to 'c' about two days after you get the update to 'd')  :-)

                                                       _Steve Ebener_
                                                       _Greyland BBS_

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09:51:19

Steve Ebener
T.K. Conrad
RE: Virus help!!
In a message to All dated 07/24/91 at 15:20:21, T.K. Conrad
writes in part:

 TC> It appears my hard drive has fallen victim to virus 004,
 TC> the "sneak" virus. At least that is what interferon says.

  T.K.  First of all, Interferon is obsolete.  Find and download
Disinfectant v2.5.1, put the decompressed copy of it on a floppy with only a
System and Finder on it, boot from the LOCKED floppy, and run it on your
hard drive.

   It may be that you'll still need to restore from your backup, but if
Disinfectant can't handle it, save a file that had the infection in it and
send an archived copy of it to the author of Disinfectant with as much
information as you can assemble.

   If you can't find a copy of Disinfectant in Portland, call my board.  I'm
less than two hours down the road from you (unless your across the river in
Vancouver.) so it shouldn't cost you that much for the call.
   (The number is in the origin line below)

                                                       _Steve Ebener_
                                                       _Greyland BBS_

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09:51:19

Steve Ebener
Yoram Yifrah
RE: MaxAppleZoom 1.42
In a message to All dated 07/25/91 at 01:13:45, Yoram Yifrah
writes:

 YY> There is a new version out with apologies and lamentations
 YY> from the author, the full text is too much to post, but he
 YY> didn't cash the checks because he wasn't sure what he'd be
 YY> obligated to do if he did so, (support it forever) the new
 YY> version is very nice indeed and will support 3rd party
 YY> cards and most apple color cards and monitorys (no built-in
 YY> video or 8*24 GC) it also supports a 900 pixel vertical
 YY> virtual mode with very nice smooth HW scrolling.

   I just downloaded version 1.43 of MaxAppleZoom from America Online.  It
still doesn't support the built in video cards on the ci, si, or LC though.

(And probably never will.)  :-(
                                                       _Steve Ebener_
                                                       _Greyland BBS_

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09:51:19

Eric Eskam
Keith Lamont
RE: Multi-part forms printer
KL> A friend of mine has an Imagewriter II in her office that gets used
KL> for general purpose printing. One of the things she prints
KL> regularly is a 4 part continuous invoice form. Well, these forms
KL> get stuck in the printer after printing about 10-20 of them. This
KL> causes a great deal of frustration. The thing's been in for
KL> servicing several times, with no noticeable improvement. Any
KL> attempt to adjust it has failed. The conclusion is that an
KL> Imagewriter can't hack it.

Well, for a while I was printing lots of stiff 3x5 tractor-feed cards and they

would often stick or get hung up in my imagewriter until I adjusted (looking
for the official name in the ImageWriter manual) the Paper Thickness Lever
(makes sense <grin>).  The Paper Thickness Lever is inside the printer on the
right side, right above the belt.  Try adjusting that.  You can also lift the
paper bail into an upper position to get it out of the way.



I hope this helps.  I have had my ImageWriter II for over 4 years and have
found it to be a very reliable and sturdy printer, and I also have the
cut-sheet feeder which is *very* nice.

Cheers
Eric


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Eric Eskam
Mike Taylor
RE: Folder Locking
MT> FO> To protect your applications from copy-happy pirates, why don't
MT> FO> you try The Guarddog..? It's an INIT that nails all icons to
MT> FO> the desktop, so they can't be dragged.
MT>
MT> You say *ALL* icons are nailed. Can it be configured to do just one
MT> folder and leave the others alone? This isn't her computer, but a
MT> departmental one so we can be locking everyone out. She just want
MT> to protect her folder.

Well, if you are looking for a commercial application I can suggest File
Guard.  It two forms of protections for applications.  You can, just like
AppleShare, lock files and folders, create users and groups so that when the
Macintosh is turned on it will prompt for a user name and password (or you can

have a generic guest account).  It does all of this on its own with out any
need for any networking software although it co-exists peacfully with networks.

Secondly you can protect the application itself with FileGaurd.  You can have
application protected (FileGuard insterts code into the application itself)
so
that when it is copied from your machine and the user goes to another mac it
does one of three things.  First it will come up with a dialog box saying you
are not authorized to run the program.  Second (my favorite because it usually

infuriates the would-be pirater) the program asks for a password before it
runs, or the third option would allow the program to run for a number of runs
or expire on a certain date and then be un-usable so you could give a copy of
a program to a friend to demo for themselves and rest-assured that they would
not be able to use it forever.

File Guard is an excellent progam and works with a good feature set like you
would expect it to.  It is being used in the Public Computing labs at the
University of Nevada Las Vegas and does a pretty good job of protecting the
computers (I used to work in the computer labs).  Aside from being somewhat
of
a memory hog on a 1 megabyte machine (old Mac Pluses) I liked it.


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09:51:19

Eddie Crawford
Liz Clayton
RE: Macintosh in an Amiga
There might be a software emulator for the amiga but it is illeagal to run
Mac system software on it. If you read the software license of the system
software it will explain all that.

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Crosby!
Mike Arst
RE: Re: 9600 woes

EID:716f 16fe614f

MSGID: 1:114/18.50 2895b9bd
I came in on the tail of this Mike.  It is my understanding that you are having
trouble with a HST modem, correct?  I have mine connected to my Mac and 386
via A/B box. Contact me via netmail and I'll see if I can't help - I couldn't
find a message with you net address.  Also, include you mailing address and/or
work/home fax number.



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09:51:19

Donald Lloyd Jr
Eric Eskam
RE: Folder Locking


 EE>if you are looking for a commercial application I can suggest FileGuard.
 Ahh, another happy FileGuard User......

EE> Second (my favorite because it usually infuriates the would-be pirater)
 EE> the program asks for a password before it runs....

Last semester, My sister asked if she could borrow my Portable so she could
work on college exams.  As repayment,she said that all I had to do was name
a program, & one of the fellows on campus could get it for me.   Did I had
visions
of MY SOFTWARE being "shared"??    Nope!!!!!
       I simply made my sister a user & assigned her a password.  Since I had
copy-protected all the important applications , (Ididn't do Teach Text)  :),
I didn't have a care in the world.
       I did get a phone call from an unhappy person, upset that she couldn't
make ANY "backups" of any programs, (for her own personal use, of course).
       "One of the guys" even restarted the computer from a floppy, but couldn't
mount the internal HD <Because he didn't know the password>!!!!!!
       I highly recommend FileGuard!  just a little on the expensive side, but
worth every dollar!!!!!!!!

      Don Jr.


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09:51:19

Dolores Jenerson-Madden
Anyone
KEYFINDER IN NORTON 1.01

EID:1db4 16fd51e0
Does anybody know how to change the default font in the Keyfinder DA that comes
with the Norton Utilities.  I believe it automatically opens to Geneva or New
York.  (something like that)  And I would like to change that so it always
automatically
opens up to TIMES which is the font I sue most of the time.  THanks for help
and information in advance.
Dolores
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09:51:19

Mike Sauve
Phil Jachem
Re: Steverino??

EID:8a26 16fc5e1a

MSGID: 1:228/6.1 289312a0

REPLY: 1:321/301 28847e64
In a message of <Jul 17 10:27>, Phil Jachem (1:321/301) writes:  PJ>and the
later Apple Lisa
 PJ>(named after the daughter of an engineer friend of Steve Wozniak).

 >For someone who's always name dropping "steven paul," I'd think you'd be
 >aware that Lisa is Steve's illegitimate daughter.

 PJ>Sorry, Michael, but the forerunner of the Macintosh {named after an
 PJ>English raincoat, not the New England McIntosh apple  8-) }

The raincoat is spelt Mackintosh. According to several interviews with Mac team
members contemporaneous with the Mac's intro, Macintosh(tm) is indeed a
misspelling
of McIntosh.

 PJ> may have the same name as Steven's daughter, but according to even Steve
Wozniak

 Based upon several published accounts and a personal conversation with Chris
Espinosa, I stand by my statement.




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09:51:19

Liz Clayton
Derek Zorn
Copernicus II

EID:7d90 16fd1a80

Derek Zorn writes to Chip Old in a message of 26 Jul 91...

CO> "Autopilot" is like "Event", except that it is repeated automatically at
CO> event
CO> time every day (as long as the Mac is left on with Cop running).  This is
CO> nice
CO> if you're away on vacation, I guess, but I've never had a need for it.
CO> Vacation?
CO>  What's that?

DZ>  That's neat, except who'd want to read hundreds of messages
DZ> after a long vacation?

People never cease to surprise, Derek...it's been done before. :-)  (By me,
even!)

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Liz Clayton
Martin Wolter
Daleks

EID:bb30 16fd1ae0

Martin Wolter writes to All in a message of 24 Jul 91...

MW> I just saw DALEKS. Its a game that came out in 1984, its size
MW> is only 17k and I played it for hours. To the great honour of
MW> the programmer it still runs under 7.0! Shame on those who didnt
MW> work such carefull.
MW> BTW, Daleks is in Area 10 (Mac Games). ---  * Origin: Rhein-Main
MW> Macintosh BBS [FRG-06101-41471] (2:243/100)

Yep...for those of us that wanna call Germany for our outdated and
none-too-challenging
strategy games...<smirk>

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Barbara Passman
Alan Johnson
Re: Statistical Analysis Software

EID:1bb8 16fcbc80
Alan, thank you for your reply. I have had only a couple of responses
altho I have posted my SOS on several Bulletin Boards. Maybe that says
something about Mac or bulletin board users. I will chek into DataDesk
altho I am unwilling to spend too much $ on an application I need or wan
for work related tasks. The $ will come out of my own pocket. The
Spreadware "Macro" as Excel add ons seem to be called.is inexpensive,
sellingnow for $99 ( will go up to $!25 or higher in Sept.)Since I use
Excel to write up my data, it seems easiest to try the spreadware but I
have no idea about documentation. I wrote the publisher for info but only
received ordering info which worries me a bit. DataDesk's manuals sound
perfect for me as I am not even sure which stat test or function to use
to handle my data. (Like, what IS Anova?,etc) Many thanks for your kind
effort to help.

MACropoedia BBS [phone] (FidoNet node 115/295)
Lake Forest, IL - Dave Alpert KB9CNU, sysop

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Liz Clayton
Franke Ojeda
RE: Re: IIsi reboot/reset switch...

EID:fb4d 16fd8540

Franke Ojeda writes to Allan Kane in a message of 25 Jul 91...

FO> What is MacsBug, anyway??? Is it some kind of programmer's tool?

Yes, it's a debugger.

Not to be confused with the similarly named MacBugs!, an old PD arcade game,
which came with the instructions "Shoot everything.  Don't get hit."

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Liz Clayton
Derek Zorn
RE: Compression on Mac

EID:d40c 16fd85a0

Derek Zorn writes to Mike Arst in a message of 25 Jul 91...

DZ> I've used one program called UnZip 1.1. If for example you unzip
DZ> a Macpaint file, you then have to use a program like ResEdit
DZ> to change the Creator and File type. A pain.

I *believe* UnZip 1.10 has some sort of "filtering" feature to preset the file
type and creator of a file that's about to be processed.

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Liz Clayton
Steve Bigley
IIsi reboot/reset switch...

EID:9bfc 16fd86a0

Steve Bigley writes to Liz Clayton in a message of 25 Jul 91...

SB> I've got the same problem with the LC. The <CMD>-<CTL>-<RESET> works to
reboot
SB>, but I've never gotten the interrupt to work. What is this Programmers'

SB> Key INIT, and where can I get it? And will it work with SYS7?

Programmers' Key is avaliable on many online services and BBS.  It is System
7 Compatible, too.

If you can't find it, netmail me an address and I can send it to you on a
floppy.

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Liz Clayton
Minh-Duc Tran
RE: Compression on Mac

EID:015f 16fd86c0

Minh-duc Tran writes to Mike Arst in a message of 24 Jul 91...

MT> cpt is shareware and more people use it stuffit only matters
MT> if ;you pirate

Using Compact Pro and not paying for it is the same as stealing Stuffit Deluxe.

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Scott Christensen
Carol Hendrick
Mysterious icon at startup

EID:82bf 16fd3440

Carol Hendrick writes in a message to All on 16 Jul 91

CH> If I describe the icon, maybe one of you will recognize it: it's
CH> an open box with a picture of a telephone on it; there's a hammer
CH> in the box, and what appears to be a screwdriver stabbed into
CH> the telephone. If I hold the shift key down at startup, the icon
CH> changes and has an X thru it, but nothing else is obviously changed.
CH>  Any ideas about what the H-E-double-toothpicks is going on here??

That is the Communications Toolbox.  It can be removed from the System by using
the Communications Toolbox installer disk.  (It is an INIT part of the System
file, rather than a stand-alone INIT.)

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Carol Hendrick
Franke Ojeda
RE: Folder Locking

EID:c854 16fdb8c0


>  BTW, just to play devil's advocate:  Have you heard of the program
>called MacSafe?  A friend of mine mentioned it to me.  It's supposed to be
>able to let you lock folders, so that only one with a password can gain
>access!
Just to clarify--MacSafe doesn't let you lock folders; it sets up a "safe" into
which you can put documents..


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John Lasruk
Richard Lloyd
ATM & Sys7

EID:aea5 16fc5cc0

MSGID: 1:250/416 2892e500
Richard >>> Are you using version 1.2.10 of Suitcase II; that's necessary for
System 7. In fact there is even a ResEdit patch to fix some bug in version
1.2.10.
<<< Richard

Thanks, Richard. It seems that ALL of those ATM problems were caused by a
slightly
out-of-date version of Suitcase II (1 .2.8), which I had only purchased a few
weeks ago. Fortunately, Fifth Generation supplied a free update, which arrived
t wo days after I called them. Everything works just fine, except for
Illustrator,
which will display, but not print, True Type fonts. But that is no fault of
Suitcase, just Adobe's way of saying,"We ignore that other stuff."

By the way, is there anyone else out there who spent a LOT of time moving files
in the System Folder before things start ed working well in sys 7.0?

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Stephen Rea
Eric King
RE: Makeing PS File with sys 7

MSGID: 1:260/204 2894829c
The Postscrip file button is not available on the Personal LaserWriter LS, it
is NOT a Postscript printer.  Use the general LaserWriter driver instead.

Steve


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Stephen Rea
Rick Emerson
Re: Word

MSGID: 1:260/204 2894835c
MacWrite would go to the last cursor position with the Enter key.  Word uses
the 0 on the keypad to remember that last 3 positions.  Unfortunately I don't
think it works with a freshly opened file.

Steve

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Stephen Rea
Joseph Cartolano
Re: UNLABELED HD FLOPPIES REALLY SONYS?

MSGID: 1:260/204 289483ec
MEI Micro in Ohio sells HD disks for 85 cents in 25's.

Steve

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Shawn Lin
Bruce Tomlin
1.44 meg external floppy

PID: RA 1.01 2307

MSGID: 1:284/4 4e3175ec

REPLY: 1:387/555 7d12a103
BT > Yes, IF you're willing to pay $300 (or more?) for a
BT > "dongle" device called
BT > "Rapport".  This will enable your internal 800k drive to
BT > read (but not
BT > write) 720k DOS disks, and enable you to use an external HD

Do you know if a hardware hacker type (like myself :) ) could hook up the
internal
800k AFTER the Rapport and be able to read/write MS-DOS disks?

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Shawn Lin
All
IWM

PID: RA 1.01 2307

MSGID: 1:284/4 4e3176ec
Is the IWM in the Mac 128k thru Plus the same as the one on the non-SuperDrive
SE?

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Brian Wiltshire
Mike Arst
RE: HP printers

EID:26fe 16fca2e0

In a message to Brian Wiltshire dated 07/22/91 at 03:21:23, Mike Arst writes:

MA> For right now I think I am going to have to settle on a less expensive
MA> printer and abandon the idea of RET for a while. In time I reckon the cost
MA> of the IIIsi will come down and then maybe I'll think about the HP line
MA> again. I had a chance to play with a GCC BLPII printer the other day and
MA> was downright amazed by the high quality of the letterforms - and this was
MA> without any smoothing. I printed a 128-pt capital "o" and it was
MA> surprisingly low on jaggies. Small type also looked pretty darned good.
MA> Unless I hear some horror stories about that line of printers, I think
MA> that's the one I'll get for starters - and something else later on.

I'm sure that the GCC is a wise choice. I went with the HP because it's
supported
so well, plus I use it with non-Macs and it's nice to have resident fonts for
ASCII text printout. You can get a toner cartridge in just about any computer
or stationery store.

MA> A fellow in another conference said he doesn't like the way small point
MA> sizes look when output via the PacPage unit.

Hmmmm...small text sizes is where I think this unit shines. Six point Helvetica
is much more readable from the PacificPage than from a LaserWriter.

MA> Hmm. When I called the company's tech support dept. for more information
on
MA> how the unit handles fonts, the guy said "Gee, I *think* those are *our*
MA> fonts." He honestly didn't know if they were from Bitstream, or Pacific
MA> Data Products, or what. I found that odd!

My original manual says Bitstream. Their tech support leave something to be
desired.

MA> If you were to print to the HP/PacData combo and had used Adobe's Helvetica
MA> screen font, *and* if you had force-downloaded Adobe Helvetica to the
MA> printer RAM, which would it use at print-time - its resident Helvetica,
or
MA> the Helvetica downloaded to RAM?

Adobe Helvetica

MA> What's the Plus Pack all about?

The Adobe Plus Pack contains the rest of the 35 PostScript fonts that are not
bundled with ATM.

MA> What happens if you use the "general" APD?

The General APD works fine, but I believe it doesn't take advantage of some
of the other features such as extra memory. I have been trying to find some
specific information for tweaking the APD to fit my printer. The memory
situation
(I have 4.5 MB installed...the max) would allow many downloadable fonts if the
APD is properly configured. Considering PM's habit of checking available font
memory in order to determine whether to flush a particular font, this would
be a great advantage.

MA> I would sure like it if someone came out with a true Adobe PS RISC- based
MA> unit for the III series (not including the IIIsi, of course).

I beleive that PostScript II will be the next step. This combined with the RISC
technology should make for some faster printing times. PostScript II is already
available in some of the newer lasers (i.e., Epson).

MA> I wonder how fast that RISC-based unit is (I think they call it the PacData
MA> XL for Mac or some such thing) compared with some of the faster 300 dpi
MA> printers on the market - PS-410, and like that - if you install it in a
III
MA> or IIID or IIIP. Thanks for your detailed reply.

Their ads say something like 300-400% faster, but I'm waiting for an independent
report. I don't think the expense will be worth it unless you're doing a lot
of printing. I'd rather have the guys with Linos get the RISC processor before
me. They're the guys who really need it.


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Brian Wiltshire
Leo Bores
RE: Word

EID:3d88 16fca460

In a message to All dated 07/26/91 at 10:09:08, Leo Bores writes:

LB> Does anybody know the keystroke sequence to open a Word file to the last
LB> cursor position?

I don't believe this is possible. However Command-keypad 3 will get you to the
end of the document. Alternatively you could leave a special character at the
cursor position and do a "Find."

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Erik Sea
Keith Lamont
RE: Multi-part forms printer

EID:c819 16fc6bc0

> A friend of mine has an Imagewriter II in her office that gets used for
> general purpose printing. One of the things she prints regularly is a
> 4 part continuous invoice form. Well, these forms get stuck in the
> printer after printing about 10-20 of them. This causes a great deal
> of frustration. The thing's been in for servicing several times, with
> no noticeable improvement. Any attempt to adjust it has failed. The
> conclusion is that an Imagewriter can't hack it.

I'd have to agree with you.  The only solution I've found so far is to have
someone hold on to the forms as they proceed out of the printer and keep them
under even tension.  Of course, finding someone to do that is not always
possible.
 So we're going back to hand-written invoices.


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Doug Rogers
Harry Weppner
RE: Abaton BBS number!?!?!?

EID:e517 16fb98a0

> Does anybody have the number of the Abaton support BBS handy!?

Abaton registration...                     415-540-1098
Abaton Tech support                        415-498-4433
Abaton Customer Service                    415-498-4499
Abaton International                       415-438-4654

main BBS number [phone]

This is the one you want to use, but the system 7 compatible software for the
Interfax isn't out yet. More promises.


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Doug Rogers
Barry Conner
RE: Networking Fax modem?

EID:859f 16fb99a0

>    A client of mine has an ABATON Interfax 24/96 fax modem.  Now that
> his business has aquired more Macs, is there a way to network it so that
> the other Macs have access to it?

Just for the heck of it I want to try soon to connect my SE on a network through
system 7 on the IIcx. As you can choose to Fax as a printer option in the
chooser...
well I ain't no expert, but at first blush it doesn't sound difficult... as
I would expect that I should be able also to choose the GCC as a printer option
through the network too...

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Marc Vaillancourt
Shawn Lin
Macintosh in an Amiga

REPLY: 1:284/4 4e3021c8

PID: Xenolink 1.0

EID:7b99 16dda4d0

MSGID: 1:240/251 1e560823
-> I think there should be an Amiga emulator for the Ma though.  The
-> Amiga is a very nie omputer.  Sine they use the same proessor,
-> it ould be done.  It'd be even nier if it was a software
-> emulator.

   Talking about emulators for the Mac, I've seen something really funny
in a french magazine.. an Atari TT emulator for Mac II! ;-> From what I
read, it was fully functionnal, even in color, with the floppy/hard
drives, etc... The question is, why would anyone want to emulate an Atari?
;-> (There is already at least two plain Atari St emulators for the Amiga
but it's only been sold in Europe as of yet).

     Marc

PS. Sorry about the missing letters in the quote. ;-> A little problem on
my side...

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Randy Marcy
Garner Miller
Re: QMS-410
Mine didn't say anything about that, but they are connected to the same
receptical.
I thought they did say that you could have some transmission troubles, but since
I never had them hooked up I never found out if this was true.

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Randy Marcy
Michael Campbell
Re: QMS-410
I am not sure what you mean by "real" postscript printing. I have downloaded
postscript fonts that were not built in the printer. I have printed Word 4 docs,
and PageMaker 4 docs. The pagemaker had plenty of EPS graphics. Also paint and
TIFF. I have used FontMonger to change certain font keys into EPS and they
print.
I have also "downloaded" postscript files (Eshier's Fish) and they printed.
I only have 2 meg of memory in it and want to go to the max of 6. But so far
I like it.
I did not know really what to expect. This is my first experiance with a laser
and postscript, so everything is new and a learning trip.

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John Rummel
Ralph Wade Phillips
RE: Compression on Mac

EID:439b 16fc5000


>
>      Check out Compact Pro - his SEA code adds slightly over 100 bytes(!)
to
> the archive size.  With my BBS being on a PC, and my "cluster size" being
4K,
> it's very rare to take up ANY more disk space with a 100 byte overhead ...
>

  Ralph, Compact Pro's SEA code adds an average of 13K to any file over and
above what it would be as a simple .CPT file.

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Duncan Mcnutt
Minh-Duc Tran
Re: Compactor on sys7

EID:a4ea 16fe13a0

MSGID: 2:243/100 2895075d

PID: GoldED 2.3 75

CHARSET: MAC 2
Hello Minh-duc,

In a message Minh-duc Tran writes to All:

MT> does it work??!?  compactor pro

Yes, no problems.

Cheers,
  Duncan (Big Mac) McNutt

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Mike Taylor
Steve Ebener
RE: Folder Locking

Thus quoth the Raven ...

SE> I think a simpler, more elegant method of protecting your applications
SE> from theft would be to make the folder they're in invisibl

HI Steve, I think that's the route we're taking.  Easiest overall and no one
in the department knows what ResEdit is, so there will be a small chance of
any one finding it for the short time my wife has the files on that computer.


               Mike


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Mike Taylor
Adam Frix
RE: Compression On Mac

Thus quoth the Raven ...

AF> 1) try to unZIP a file that isn't a ZIP file.

Next time you tell me to do this, you'd better warn me that it will freeze up
my machine =8)


               Mike


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Mike Taylor
Eric King
Folder Locking

Thus quoth the Raven ...

EK> If she has DiskTop, she could use it to make the folder invisible
EK> when she is not using it

We have DiskTools (same difference), but it is a pain to install it (we don't
have Suitcase), make the folder invisible, uninstall it, etc.  But that's what
we are doing for the time, though I accepted a recent offer from someone kind
enough to work on the problem for us.

EK> She could also use one of the more advanced disk utilities to
EK> set up a small partition for Word. Most of the partitioning utilities
EK> allow you to password protect individual partions

Yep, but the whole point of this is that she is working on a departmental
computer
that she can't modify in any way.  That's why we need a simple solution.


               MIke


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Mike Taylor
Ira Lunsk
MacWoof

Thus quoth the Raven ...

IL> Would someone post a number where I cold freq this file and where
IL> I can get the serial tool?

You can FREQ "MacWoof 1.0b2" and "CTB Serial Tool" from 3613/13 as those names,
or log in direct at 205-826-9205.


               Mike


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Mike Taylor
Minh-Duc Tran
RE: Compression on Mac

Thus quoth the Raven ...

MT> stuffit only matters if ;you pirate

Are you implying that because I own StuffIt Deluxe, I pirate software?


               MIke


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Mike Taylor
Liz Clayton
RE: MacWoof 1.0b2 available...

Thus quoth the Raven ...

LC> Great, but where do I -find- this "Serial Tool"?

From all kinds of bulletin boards or FREQable from 3613/13 as "CTB Serial Tool"


               Mike


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Mike Taylor
Liz Clayton
RE: Re: HELP!

Thus quoth the Raven ...

LC> Do you think they'll let me "downgrade" my subscription

They should refund your money for cancelled issues.  Macworld refunded me when
I cancelled in mid-subscription.  Are you saying that after you graduate high
school that you'll know all you need to know about the Mac? =8)


               Mike


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Mike Taylor
Liz Clayton
re: microsoft going soft

Thus quoth the Raven ...

LC> Word Finder used to work with everything for me...(but not if
LC> I called it up via macro!).....now, it won't work with ANYTHING,
LC> even Word. I replaced the version on my hard drive with one fresh
LC> off the master, and still, no-go

Are you under Sys7 now?  Rerports have it that Word Finder won't work as a
regular
DA under Sys7 and that it needs to be installed in the application you use it
in.  I run mine intalled in Word and it works fine.


               Mike


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Mike Taylor
Liz Clayton
RE: TrashChute

Thus quoth the Raven ...

LC> I missed out--what is Trash Chute?

Trash Chute is a Sys7 application that you can drop files on and they will be
deleted immediately.  You can not toss folders on top of it as they will be
ignored.  You can also double-click it and it will empty your trash can.  Some
people have an alias to it in the start-up so that when they restart, their
trash is empty.  WARNING:  Throwing an alias on top of Trash Chute results in
the original file being thrown away. But it is a handy utility and worth your
examination.


               Mike


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Mike Taylor
Steve Kalkwarf
Folder Locking

Thus quoth the Raven ...

SK> Folder Bolt by Kent Marsh is exactly what you are looking for.
SK> After it is set up it is VERY easy to use. Around $100.

I knew about this one, but $100 is the reason I'm *NOT* looking for Folder Bolt
=8)


               MIke


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Mike Taylor
Nello Lucchesi
Boomerang & System 7

Thus quoth the Raven ...

NL> Does anyone know when to expect a new versin of Boomerang that
NL> will work with System 7? How do I get it?

There is a fix that works with SB 2.03 which fixes the cosmetic problems.  This
is a temp fix until a full release is available.


               MIke



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Mike Taylor
Bob Fuller
Offline Reader

Thus quoth the Raven ...

BF> I've heard that MacWoof is a good program for this. I've found
BF> it on a bbs that is long distance to me and have asked the sysop
BF> for permission to download it! I don't know if it a demo or shareware
BF> or what. But I'll try to get it and checkout! it may be worth
BF> the phone call to see just what it is!

MacWoof is shareware and if you are a regular reader of Fidonet messages you'll
find MacWoof to be quite nice.  MacWoof is currently the only shareware Fidonet
package out there.  It still (in my opinion) needs some features, but it is
coming a long nicely.  Copernicus is a commercial program ($50) which has more
features than MacWoof, but it can't be tried before you buy.  I personally use
COUNTERPoint with the Copernicus modules.  Though I think MacWoof is nice, it
isn't nice enough (again, my opinion) for me to switch.  One of my points really
likes MacWoof and plans on paying the shareware fee as soon as a few more of
the bugs gets worked out.  I have a feeling MacWoof will develop into quite
the package and I will keep my eyes on it.


               Mike


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Mike Taylor
Chip Old
RE: DiskExpress

Thus quoth the Raven ...

CO> I got 2.07b without asking for it, but have not seen 2.07c yet.
CO> What specifically does it fix?

Bugs.  Seriously, the info from Alsoft doesn't give any more detail:

"The patcher applies a patch to DiskExpress II 2.07 and 2.07a to prevent a
needless
message that can be displayed when ejecting volumes.

The patcher also corrects a minor System 7.0 incompatibility in DiskExpress
2.07, 2.07a and 2.07b."

It may not be worth your trouble.....


               MIke



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Mike Taylor
Erik Kennedy
Re: CI$ Software

Thus quoth the Raven ...

[RE: AOL 1200 support in Colorado Springs]

EK>  WHAT? They dropped 2400 baud support? When?
EK> I was on the verge of biting the bullet and subscribing. No way now

That must be for that one instance....  I still connect at 2400 wiht no prob.


               Mike


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Mike Taylor
Paul Vader
Re: MaxAppleZoom

Thus quoth the Raven ...

[RE: MaxAppleZoom]

PV> As it is I have lost a lot of faith in this program

Well, you are aware that the author has released a new version with no time
expiration *or* shareware fee?  The current version that I have on my BBS (I
don't use MAZ) is 1.43.


               Mike


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09:51:19

Casey Offord
All
Emac Trackball
Has anyone heard anything about Emac's Silhouette?  I was looking at one and
was wondering where you can buy them, and are they worth the money?
                                   _Casey_

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Chris Delriesgo
Dave Furey
Re: On Cue for system 7.0

EID:78a0 16fd9416
Why use ON-Cue when you can make an alias and drop it in the system folder?
It does the same thing and no worry on init conflicts.


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09:51:19

Ray Sincliar
Graham Sanders
RE: Resolve vs. Excel
 You are expressing my doubts to a "T" for the upgrade to Excel 3 is too
bloody much (I've recommended AGAINST going with MS products in my department)

and Resolve seems to be a truly good Mac application. Another product that
bears watching is Lotus 1 2 3 for the Mac - it is hip!


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Ray Sincliar
Erik Kennedy
RE: MICROSOFT WORD 5.00B
I am glad to see that I am not the only one disgrunted with MS's policy of
issuing WinApps on The Mac. I have owned and thrashed Word now for about 3
years and have come to really distain it. The most annoying trait now is it's
inability to deal with a decent number of fonts... Not enough room in the
menu? That message is enough for my switching!


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Mike Arst
Erik Kennedy
Re: Disk Doubler & the Double Up Card

EID:eb2f 16f95a73 4d453220
> DD uses those file types to show the proper icon for DD'd files.
> This way, Word files show up in the Finder as regular Word icons
> with a little DD in the corner. Same with HyperCard, Canvas,
> MacWrite II, THINK C, and a host of other applications. It's DD's
> way of keeping track of the different icons it needs. The BNDLs are
> kept in the full-size DD application, so when you move them to a
> different disk, the icons disappear.

All of the compressed utils that ended up on my machine looking like generic
document icons were new utils - none existed on the machine at the time I first
inserted the disk. But the DD Expand program was there. *SOME* of the compressed
files did appear with a DD icon - and they too were compressed utils of a sort
that did *NOT* exist on my hard disk at that time. In other words, some of the
file types made it possible for the Mac to make a DD icon, and others of the
file types were apparently responsible for making only a generic-document icon.
But all of them were Disk-Doubler-created files.

> Some possible solutions for Salient to this minor problem would be to
> stick the BNDLs in the mini-applications, or allow the option of
> changing the type, or produce a freeware app that converts old files
> to SEAs.

Reminds me to ask: What ARE these BUNDL thingees?

>> I took a guess. I changed all of the types to that of the files
>> whose icons _were_ correct

> Yeah, they're still DD files, and DD recognizes them, it's just that
> they lose the DD icon.

Those few didn't have *any* icon that could be successfully double-
clicked.

> Unless, of course, you move the files to a disk that doesn't have a
> copy of DD on it...

As I say, it did have DD Expand, which was good enough to create *some* DD-ish
icons.

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Mike Arst
Mike Steiner
Canvas and others

EID:a4ea 16f95ad7 4d453220
> Every painting and drawing program for the Mac can save files in at
> least one format that PageMaker can use.  Even Hypercard can do
> that.  (Now, watch someone come up with a drawing or painting
> program that uses a proprietary format that PageMaker doesn't know
> about!)

We have seen a number of times that DeskPaint will export a TIFF file that,
when imported into Pagemaker, turns into junk on the screen. At other times
that doesn't happen. Sigh.

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Mike Arst
All
Removable-media hard disks

EID:c263 16f9a3b0 4d453220
Is anyone here using a Ricoh removable-cartridge hard disk at present? If so,
I'd appreciate hearing about what you do and don't like about it. I am trying
to make up my mind whether to go the SyQuest route - since it's what all the
service bureaus have - or head for the Ricoh-
type unit - which in recent reviews has been getting higher marks for better
protection against dust getting in, and (maybe) greater reliability.

Any service bureau owners Out There now supporting the Ricoh system? The guy
I work for (we do a bit of service-bureau work) doesn't want anything to do
with the Ricohs. If they never catch on at service bureaus in a big way, the
thing might be great for doing backups but be an overpriced paper-weight the
rest of the time, eh?

Do the cartridges cost about the same as the SyQuest cartridges? So far no
review
I've seen has mentioned what the durned cartridges cost.

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Mike Arst
John Rummel
RE: Re: Maxfiles information

EID:08ff 16f9b437 4d453220
> I did check just now and my version of MaxFiles (1.1) has Control Panal
> options for Open or Launch files. Changing the setting does not affect
> performance for me, MaxFiles still refuses to recognize aliases as
> representations of their apps/documents/folders. It just opens a get info
> window.
> Perhaps we're not using the same version of MaxFiles. Are you also using
> System 7?

As much as I like MaxFiles, I am finding myself almost jealous of people who
run it under uni-Finder, since they can launch applications or data files right
from the file menu. I sure hope MaxFiles is upgraded some day so that us
MultiFinder
users can do that also. I wouldn't have thought I'd care much about the Open
and Launch features' not working under MF, but more and more I wish they worked
under both Finders.

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Mike Arst
Maurice Sharp
RE: MICROSOFT WORD 5.00B

EID:3908 16fa10f9 4d453220
> So what would you choose ? I looked at WordPerfect, but they still
> use the code scheme underneath (major gross for transfering
> documents to something else). MacWrite Pro is still underfeatured.
> Nisus looks nice but I have not had a chance to play with it.

To my total surprise I won Nisus in a raffle not long back - the most recent
version. Well, I shoulda listened to a few people here who were saying that
Nisus is too sluggish for them. It *is* sluggish, even on my accelerated SE.
It has fantastically powerful functions, including support for regular
expressions
in the search/replace routines - regular expressions that appear to be more
extensive even than Unix regular expressions.

But the command set can be bizarre. This has been a criticism of Nisus that
I've read in Mac magazines. Prepare to do a lot of work with QuicKeys or
something
like it, in order to make the command set more tolerable. I can't remember just
now what is Nisus' command for "move cursor one word to the right," but it is
QUITE bizarre. Not something straightforward like CMD-right-arrow! Some arcane
combination of keystrokes.

If I upgrade from an SE to an SE/30, then the SE/30 might be quick enough. Then
I will consider using it again.

Oh, yeah - Nisus has a very powerful macro language. But I found it so poorly
documented, the docs are almost worthless in helping you to get the most out
of the language. There is a more powerful language yet in the program, that
goes far beyond the macro language, but it looks to me as if they haven't even
bothered to document that, other than very scant reference material.
Disappointing!
The docs give you a general idea how to run the program, all right, but they
are poorly organized. You have to hunt and hunt for certain information other
companies document clearly - like the basic keystroke equivalents for the
program.

The thing can import MS-Word files, but that I can tell it does not support
paragraph styles and those will not be imported when Nisus reads a Word
document.
Sigh.

I'd say: If you have heavy-duty text processing needs, go for Nisus and just
deal with some of the difficulties; they are not insurmountable. But if you
are looking for something that's *fast* and easy to jump right into, I wouldn't
recommend it.

As time permits I experiment with a terrific new shareware programmer's editor
called Alpha. It too is difficult to master - difficult docs! - but it has some
Nisus-like functions and is SUBSTANTIALLY faster than Nisus. I hear the next
release will have full support for Unix-style regular expressions, too!

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Christopher Fay
Erik Kennedy
RE: Apple/ibm Agreement

EID:98f3 16fd71e0
>Thanks for the info. Keep us Rocky Mountain types posted, eh?
>Erik

Are you a covert Canadian in the Colorado Rockies with that interrogative
"eh?"?


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Joseph Emmanuel
Dave Morris
RE: X-on X-off

EID:92bb 16fe1340

>
> Joseph Emmanuel writes in a message to Jonathan Gourd on 23 Jul 91
>
> > Hand shaking cable are hard to come by.  I use Xon Xoff and it works great.
>
> Joseph, Especially if you are using a Hi-Speed modem, you might want to try
> a Hermes type 3 cable.

That is not a message I sent.  Actually I answered this message and somehow
you are answering my answer as if I originated this.  O, well...  I guess these
things happens.


> It is configured and available from the following:
>
> CABLE ID 3:
> Macintosh MINI DIN-8 Male  --------> RS-232 DB-25 Male
>    1--------> 20, and 4
>    2--------> 5
>    3--------> 2
>    8,4------> 7
>    5--------> 3
>    7--------> 8
>    6 is not connected.
>
>
> Sources to purchase cables for Hermes:
>
> 1] Mac Dataflow [phone]
> Paul Keithley
> 206 Yardley Court
> Abingdon, MD. 21009  $14+3SH
>
> 2] Electro Products [phone] [Seattle(206)859-0574]
>
> 3] Cables & Chips [phone] [New York(212) 619-3132]

I ordered mine from Cable and Chips for my SE/30.  They charged me around $35
and I am not pleased with it.  It looks very cheaply made.  Dataflow sounds
good.

Thanks for the info.

      -Joseph

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Joseph Emmanuel
Craig Vaughan
RE: MacWoof version 1.0b5 available

EID:dc05 16fe1500

>
> The MacWoof echo is available for polling from 1:109/342 and should shortly
> appear on the backbone once ELIST.108 is released.
>
> - Craig

How did you get MACWOOF echo into back bone, and so fast?

If answer to this question will stretch the limit of being off topic here
(although
I feel the answer may help many others), you can either email me the answer,
or answer it in MACPOINT echo (I have been trying to put MACPOINT into bb for
sometimes with little luck).  Thanks.

      -Joseph

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Doug Von Roeder
Brad Ackerman
RE: In a message to John Veraldi

EID:b100 16fd4240

Brad Ackerman writes in a message to Doug Von Roeder

BA>  Do you [know] whether or not I can exchange mine for one with that
BA> "feature"?

I haven't had any contact with Dove in a few months.
I had a bad experience with their tech support folks and wouldn't believe
anything
they say until it arrives at my doorstep and actually works.
Give Dove a ring and see what you can get them to do.

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Erik Kennedy
Bruce Tomlin
Re: SOFTPC

EID:23eb 16fd7e60

>  MM> I'm not looking for perfection but I sure do want to use
>  MM> Microsoft's Flight Simulator 4.0 on my Classic really bad!
>
> Trust me, it ISN'T worth it.  It's bad enough running SoftPC EGA/AT on
> a IIci in 16 color mode.  The Tandy 1000 I'm using right now beats it
> in video performance.  Compute-wise the speed is a bit better.  The
> version that runs on 68000 machines is much slower, and the IIci is
> maybe 6-10 times as fast as a Classic.
>
> Think about it.

Not only that, but Flight Simulator for the Mac is getting its first real
upgrade
in years (possibly its first *ever* upgrade), and should be vastly improved
over the original.

Erik

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Erik Kennedy
Greg Brown
RE: ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE

EID:2fad 16fd7f60

> To any who read this, what's the best way to learn assembly language?
> I'd appreciate any advice or comments, and would especially appreciate
> reccommendations of good books on the subject.  Thanks.

You need three things:

1. A copy of the reference manual for the processor you're interested in
2. To find community college near you that doesn't have a prerequisite for
taking
an assembly class (most usually prefer that you have experience in at least
one high-level language)
3. To be able to devote the rest of your natural life to the subject

Then you're set! :-]

Seriously, if you can find a decent CC near you, by all means find out about
their assembly classes. They're usually not real crowded (at my school, the
course has been cancelled two of the last three semesters due to lack of
interest),
so you get more personal instruction, and it looks good on a resume. Only
drawback
is that tuition ain't exactly cheap, and finding time to devote to the subject
can be hard. But it's one of the best ways to learn a language, IMHO.

Erik

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Erik Kennedy
Liz Clayton
RE: MacWoof beta version available

EID:bacc 16fd80e0

> FO> Why don't we all just let Liz Clayton do her job?
>
> Oh, but there are *so* many people willing to do it for me! :-)

Free of charge, too. How's that for service?


>  * Origin: Our album covers have been lying to us, Ted! (1:115/729.4)

Saw the original again on Saturday. Goofiest time-travel movie ever.
BTW, don't forget to wind your watch. ;-]

Erik

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Erik Kennedy
Jackie Tanaka
RE: Balloon Help

EID:ba5e 16fd8160

> Do any of you use the Balloon Help feature of System 7.0
> or do you just find it an annoyance?
>
> I find it annoying except for the the Finder ShortCuts feature.

It can be more convenient than digging through the manual for simple questions,
but it would help a lot if it would refer you to a specific page number in said
manual for more detailed info.

Erik

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Erik Kennedy
Mike Steiner
RE: WORD AND THE SI

EID:b2c6 16fd8320

> EK> As I understand it from a discussion on CompuServe about this
> EK> same thing, both Word and Excel expect a coprocessor if they
> EK> see a 68030. Something about the way they are compiled or some
> EK> such. Which I think is nonsense. Just another example of Microsoft
> EK> following the rules, eh?
>
> Or with a 68020, but only Excel.  A word processor doesn't need an FPU, and
> MS Word doesn't look for it.  As an employee of one of their competitors,
I'd
> love to say that it is brain-dead because it can't run without an FPU on a
> Mac-II-family computer, but it doesn't.

Oh, go ahead and say it. Nobody here will disagree. :-]

BTW, have you seen the Sept. MacUser? Not counting Kawasaki's column (which
is particularly nasty even for him), there are several disparaging references
to Microsoft throughout the magazine. Add in Steven Levy's column in the same
month's MacWorld, and it suddenly seems like everybody's finally getting sick
of them, possible enough so to actually stop buying their products.

Erik

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Erik Kennedy
Geoff Peters
RE: Floppy Disk problems

EID:4cd6 16fd84a0

> NetComm's pricing structure looks very similar to Apple's - ultra-high quality
> at a hefty price.

You'd never know it by looking at the Apple Personal Modem, presuming they were
the designers of that POC. I got one for free from a friend of mine and it still
wasn't worth it.

Erik

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Erik Kennedy
Brad Ackerman
RE: MICROSOFT WORD 5.00B

EID:226f 16fd85a0

EK> Disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with Claris, although I wouldn't mind
EK> being a MW Pro beta site (hint, hint).

EK> 0

>Along the same lines, I wouldn't mind being a Tabby 3.0 beta site (hint, hint).


Or a USR Dual Standard, or a QMS-810, or a Pivot, or the Tower Mac, or...

Daydreaming can be more fun than reality, and it's sure as hell cheaper. ;-]

Erik

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Erik Kennedy
Gregg Phillips
RE: RE>Re: CI$ Software

EID:ac01 16fd8680

>
> Hi Erik,
>
>      EK> WHAT? They dropped 2400 baud support? When?
>
>      EK> I was on the verge of biting the bullet and subscribing. No
>      EK> way now. I only hope they can be made to realize that with the
>      EK> plant coming online next year it's in their best interests to
>      EK> change their minds.
>
> You were responding to someone that lost his 2400 node only, not AOL.  America
> Online is Packet Switched at 19,200 baud to BP Tymnet and hopefully will have
> 9600 baud support soon.
>
> Everyone that logs on to AOL does so either through Telenet, Tymnet or
> Datapac.  AOL does not, that I am aware of have direct access.  So your baud
> rate would depend on what your local Node with one of the companies above
> support.

Then it is still in AOL's (and CompuServe's) best interests to light a fire
under one of the above companies to reinstate the 2400 baud line and make a
9600 bps line to Colorado Springs a top priority.

Because MCI also recently moved into an old plant here in town (an ex-IBM
plant),
they might be in an even better position to effect rapid change.

Erik

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Erik Kennedy
Liz Clayton
RE: System 7 tricks

EID:f282 16fd86e0

> > Does anyone know how to get the cute balloon help comment on MacsBug?  I
> > can't seem to get anything...
>
> DB>  I haven't done it, but the reference I have suggests putting
> DB> the cursor on the icon of MacsBug itself.
>
> DUHHHHH!!!!!
>
> Tried that, no dice.

Was Balloon Help turned on? (raising DUH-shields)

Erik

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Erik Kennedy
Liz Clayton
RE: System 7 tricks

EID:f282 16fd8700

>
> Bruce Tomlin writes to Liz Clayton in a message of 24 Jul 91...
>
>  LC> Does anyone know how to get the cute balloon help comment on
>  LC> MacsBug?  I can't seem to get anything...
>
> BT>  Turn on Balloon help and point to the MacsBug icon in your System
> BT> Folder. I don't know if you need the latest version (6.2) or
> BT> not, but I don't think so.
>
> I'm using 6.2d5, and nada happens when I point at the icon.

Bingo. Get a copy of at least 6.2b4, preferably 6.2. And ignore the previous
message.

(If you can't find it by the weekend, I'll upload a copy to Spectrum MACInfo.
You do support uploads by second-time callers, right?)

Erik

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Al Varnell
Stan James
Re: Problems with Personal LaserWriter N

EID:6c2d 16fdbf40
In a message to Al Varnell dated 07/28/91 at 23:19:20, Stan James
writes:

SJ> Thanks for the help with TrueType. My problem is probably that I
SJ> have ATM version 1.2. I heard that it is best to use ATM if you are
SJ> outputting to a postscript device (as I am). Do you know if this is
SJ> true? I'd like to use TrueType (it's faster), but I want the
SJ> character spacing to be OK.

Actually, ATM is at it's best with a non-postscript printer. I see no
reason for you to use it at all, and especially 1.2 which was slow and
somewhat buggy. I forget whether you are using System 7.0 or not. If you
are I have a tip sheet from Adobe and another from Apple on the subject.
If you're still using System 6.0.x, some of the answers are different, I'm
afraind.

SJ> As for the envelopes, I tried entering them on the left side, but
SJ> (of course) the paper detector is on the right. Thus, if I enter
SJ> envelopes on the left, the printer says its out of paper!!! But I
SJ> guess that this is just the sort of thing to expect from Apple.
SJ>
I read a tip somewhere about running a regular sheet of paper through the
printer underneath the envelop. I think it makes it run smoother, but in
your case, it should take care of the paper sensor, as well.

        -Al-

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09:51:19

Al Varnell
Ed Hackett
Re: Rebound & System 7

EID:cbc0 16fcac80

In a message to Chip Old dated 07/26/91 at 11:29:00, Ed Hackett
writes:

EH> > Rebound has serious bugs that do something terrible.
EH>
EH> There is also a new version of rebound available. It's version .95.
EH> Again, no troubles. I got both programs from AOL last weekend.

My copy of Rebound .95 was copyrighted in early 89.

        -Al-

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Al Varnell
Liz Clayton
Re: IIsi reboot/reset switch...

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I decided to recheck my experiences with the IIsi and the built in
programmers key. I shut off all my inits and pressed the magic keys and
guess what, Command-Power On dropped me right into MacsBug clean as a
whistle. Not sure why it wouldn't work before, but I must have an INIT
somewhere that's shutting that feature off without using the P Key INIT.
You don't suppose MacsBug 6.2 fixed it do you? When I figure out what's
going on, I'll let you know.

        -Al-

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Stan James
Al Varnell
Re: Problems with Personal LaserWriter N

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Thanks for the help with TrueType. My problem is probably that I have ATM
version 1.2. I heard that it is best to use ATM if you are outputting to a
postscript device (as I am). Do you know if this is true? I'd like to use
TrueType (it's faster), but I want the character spacing to be OK.
.
As for the envelopes, I tried entering them on the left side, but (of
course) the paper detector is on the right. Thus, if I enter envelopes on
the left, the printer says its out of paper!!! But I guess that this is
just the sort of thing to expect from Apple.

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09:51:19

Alan Dobrowolski
All
Counterpoint

EID:e40f 16fe8700

I just got Counterpoint and am having some trouble with it. It will only call
out if there are messages to go out, it won't just poll my bosses for mail.
Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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04:07:10

Mike Millen
All
Fooling Mac LC w/ 12"  monitor
I'm desperate for an answer to this question, so I'll post it again:  Can
you fool a Mac LC which currently has a 12" monitor into thinking that you
really have a 13" monitor?  Surely a patch like this would be trivial
given that the LC's internal video card is all set for 640x480 as well as
the smaller 512x384.  MaxAppleZoom doesn't work in this situation.  I
would be forever grateful for any help.  (If you have a flash of
brilliance while away from your computer, give me a call at [phone]
-- Mike Millen

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04:07:10

Mike Steiner
Al Varnell
Re: IIsi reboot/reset switch...
AV> The one I use is an INIT called P Key and get info says the version
AV> is "Programmer's Key (c) 1987, P. Mercer. It's in shareware collections

AV> everywhere and works just fine with system 7.0 on the IIx and
AV> fx at work.

The latest version that I've been able to find is 1.1b6, with a modification
date of 2 Jul, 1990.

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04:07:10

Mike Steiner
All
The "information" Age
Linda Cunningham writes about "The "information" Age" to Rick Emerson  [27 Jul
91 07:57]

LC> Question is, however, "how prone is Liz to practical (or impractical,
LC> for that matter) jokes?"

I believe that Liz jokes while standing up rather than while lying on her
stomach.

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08/01/91
04:07:10

Mike Steiner
Rick Nickell
Orion VIRUS!!!
Rick Nickell writes about "Orion VIRUS!!!" to All  [28 Jul 91 13:35]

RN> You'll know you have a virus when you see "MacBugs Installed"
RN> on start up... I also made a mistake...I downloaded the file
RN> without checking it afterwards.... Might I suggest that we all
RN> chaeck our files before running them... I'm going to download
RN> it again and VIREX it...Let's see if that'll fix it...

If you see "MacsBug Installed" it might mean that you really have it installed,
or you have the old screensaver that pretends to be Macsbug.

How do you know that Orion had a virus if you haven't checked it yet?  Your
problem may have been caused by something else.

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04:07:10

Mike Steiner
Brad Ackerman
RE: Makeing PS File with sys 7
Brad Ackerman writes about "RE: Makeing PS File with sys 7" to Ralph Wade
Phillips
 [28 Jul 91 16:31]

BA> Why would you buy a $20 manual when you can get the Macintosh
BA> Bible Guide to System 7 for only $12, $9 if you already have
BA> the Macintosh Bible?

I know that I'm going against the mainstream here, but I think that the
Macintosh
Bible is not worth the money (based on edition 2; I haven't seen edition 3),
and if their guide to system 7 is anything like their bible, it isn't worth
the money either.

The problem that I find with the Macintosh Bible is that almost everything that
it contains is already in the manuals and/or help stacks of the applications
or utilities.  When I got my copy, I read it through, and haven't opened it
since.  In addition, although I mailed in my registration card, I never heard
from them again--no updates, no notification about volume 3, no notification
about their system-7 book--not that I would have bought the latter two.  As
I said, IMHO, the book is highly over rated.

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04:07:10

Mike Steiner
Bruce Tomlin
System 7 tricks
Bruce Tomlin writes about "System 7 tricks" to Liz Clayton  [29 Jul 91 14:45]

 > I'm using 6.2d5, and nada happens when I point at the icon.
BT>  Make sure the file name is "MacsBug". (Even though it won't
BT> load if renamed)

This is to Liz (and anyone else who has a "d" or "b" version of MacsBug):  The
final version has been released; get it and get rid of that version you have
now.  "d" versions of Apple software are pre-alpha, and are therefore buggy
as all get out.

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